at what time are we meeting?

THanks

THanks Isy! Thanks sharlaine! Im going to work on that!

See you later

mo.

london eateries

Hey

http://www.london-eating.co.uk/
I can't copy and paste the images here?!
but the website above have got some good picis of places to eat in london.
galvin at windows, pasha look good. it might be nice to get picis of restaurants by the river thames as that is exclusive to London. Galvin at Windows is by the river.
http://london.unchainedguide.com/shops/img/84_brick%20lane%20market.jpg
http://www.nyindia.us/images/reviews/brick-lane2.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/225/509991829_4bbe30aa0e.jpg?v=0 - hot salt beef in brick lane
these are a pici of brick lane.

http://www.podbean.com/image-logos/20397_logo.jpg
http://philip.greenspun.com/images/200102-e10-london/orange-street-sign.half.jpg
these images are of london road signs- we could even use this as an example of how to display the chapters- n london, s londoon etc and we can change the postcode on the sign to represent this SW, N, EC etc. sorry i can't copy and paste the image. Not sure if this can be achieved but its an idea.

and below there's afternoon tea, which is popular in London. The first one is at Fortnum and Mason's, the second at the Ritz, and the third at Brown's. All the photos are from Flickr - i know some aren't the best but they might give you some ideas!

Hope that helps a bit! Let us know if we'll see you later or not, cos if not we'll need a meet-up tomorrow evening.

So below there's Starbucks, which is everywhere in London, a man selling sweets at one of the tube stations, and cupcake shops which is a current London trend.

The first one is from Harrods foodhall, the second from Chinatown and the rest from food markets in London. These are all well known in London and so could be in our book. If not the one you've chosen is still very British! I'll have another look in case you don't like any.

xXx

Hey Monica! Hope you had a good birthday. We sent a few texts yesterday about the project - we've put most of the powerpoint together now and were going to have a meeting today at the Hub (Davies Street) at 5. Will you be able to get there? The sample pages and cover and everything are amazing! We were so impressed. The only thing on the pages is that we need to add a 'central London' section.

These are the photos i found ages ago - i don't know if any of them will help:

HELP!

Guys, I been trying to do some inside sample pages, but i don't know what to do. Specially because i need to find good pictures to use them, and because i dont know what can be worth to put in a book about how London taste or what is special about london's tatse. help me please!

hi!

hi guys! how was your meeting? did you see the images? i hope you liked them. I can change anything if you want.

mo.

3d

3d

COVER

SPINES

a taste of london?

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__---=== A SENSE OF LONDON ===---__

FIVE authors. FIVE artists. FIVE senses.







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TIFF file format

The TIFF is a flexible, adaptable file format for handling images and data within a single file, by including the header tags (size, definition, image-data arrangement, applied image compression) defining the image's geometry.

The ability to store image data in a lossless format makes the TIFF file a useful image archive, because, unlike standard JPEG files, the TIFF using lossless compression (or none) may be edited and re-saved without losing image quality.

Printing Press Details

Offset Lithography

Advantages
Consistent high image quality. Offset printing produces sharp and clean images and type more easily than letterpress printing because the rubber blanket conforms to the texture of the printing surface.

Quick and easy production of printing plates.

Longer printing plate life than on direct litho presses because there is no direct contact between the plate and the printing surface. Properly developed plates running in conjunction with optimized inks and fountain solution may exceed run lengths of a million impressions.

The more you print, the less you pay per page, because most of the price goes into the preparation undergone before the first sheet of paper is printing and ready for distribution. Any additional paper print will only cost the client paper price (and ink), which is very minimal.


Web-fed litho

Info
"Web-fed" refers to the use of rolls (or "webs") of paper supplied to the printing press. Offset web printing is generally used for runs in excess of 10 or 20 thousand impressions. Typical examples of web printing include newspapers, newspaper inserts/ads, magazines, catalogs, and books.

Web-fed presses are divided into two general classes: "Cold" or "Non-Heatset," and "Heatset".

Heatset offset web presses utilize drying lamps or heaters to cure or "set" the inks. Heatset presses can print on both coated (slick) and uncoated papers, while coldset presses are restricted to uncoated paper stock, such as newsprint.

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Offset printing is the most common form of high-volume commercial printing, due to advantages in quality and efficiency in high-volume jobs. Many modern offset presses are using computer to plate systems as opposed to the older computer to film workflows, which further increases their quality.

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Computer to Plate

Advantages
In CTP, one generation (transfer of film image to the printing plate) is removed from the printing process, increasing sharpness and detail.

Plates are produced in less time, are more consistent, and at a lower cost.

CTP can also improve registration and image-to-edge repeatability over traditional methods.

CTP, the media is registered (held in precise position) in the platesetter during imaging, and does not rely on a separately-aligned pin grid, as is the case with film. Defects due to dust, scratches or other artifacts are minimized.

CTP systems can significantly increase print shop productivity. The fastest platesetters can output more than 120 12-inch plates per hour, punched and ready to hang on the press.

Possible things to talk about on the Internet side of things....

Hey, this is what I came up with for things we need to look for the web slides...

Design Cost - designer
maintainence
web site hosting hosts (this might be going into too much detail though - I really think David just wants a ballpark figure to show that we've understood there'll be a cost etc)

Search Engine Optimisation / Visability - discovery of our web page
cost of hiring someone to improve the optimisation
metadata - need to research how this works.

RSS Feeds - good to include, improve the customer experience, update customers about any new books uploaded to the site, any new art events posted....

Customer Database - based on online purchases (and customer log ins?) allows us to gather research and sales material easily.
- Details of how this data is stored / searched / used - maybe geographically specific newsletters sent out by postcode?

Marketing Potential of Website - links and tags with other websites - make the website more visible, links with the online art community - possibly have an online arts forum as part of the website? - if we do go for any of these ideas they would have to be included on the site map (Isy)
- Also plain just selling books online, through the website.

Usability Testing - of the website itself. Say we've done it, 5 people, ensures we've got an easy to navigate site and has everything people are looking for.


That's it, anything else to add, post a comment!

Ed

Visual Directory for Design Lovers

Creationflux Visual Directory for Design Lovers

http://www.creationflux.com/liquidlink/home/Resources/Books__Publishers/Publishers/

Books-by-isbn

http://www.books-by-isbn.com


Where does this site get its data?

This site collects data on books and other media collected from a number of web services that send XML data which this site processes further. At present these are: amazon.com, amazon.co.uk, amazon.de, amazon.ca and amazon.fr, also isbndb.com (as the number of data requests per day that isbndb.com can serve its users today is limited, my site queries isbndb.com only as a last resort, when the Amazon sites have no data.) A further data source is the data from on prefix ranges issued by the International ISBN Agency (isbn-international.org) - my algorithm uses this display the ISBN properly segmented with dashes into country, publisher, book and check digit parts, which is information that the above mentioned web services do not deliver.


What is the use of this site, then?

The utility of this site is in collating the information from the above mentioned sites. The various Amazon sites only have information on the books sold in the relevant locale (many books are sold only in a subset of locales for commercial, licensing, legal etc. reasons). isbndb.com, on the other hand, only has information culled from the catalogs of libraries, which limits the information available on recent or forthcoming issues as well as books from non-English language publishers. Also this sites cross-references books published by the same author even when the various books cannot be found on the same site.

helpful websites on art books and marketing

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0425/is_4_65/ai_n27098790/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HMU/is_12_32/ai_n15998933/pg_3?tag=artBody;col1
This site is about publsihing art books

http://blog.lib.uiowa.edu/transitions/2006/09/06/progress-toward-oa-in-art-history/
This site talks about acquiring art illustrations and problems that arise

http://www.writersservices.com/wps/pr_marketing.htm
This site talks about marketing books

hello!

Hi guys!

I read again what the exercise is about, and i made this draft presentation, the idea is (as its says in the handbook):

A number of issues could be contributing to the decline of your publishing house. As a group, please evaluae what youo think would be the most influential and damaging issues. When you finish the evaluation, then propose what you would do to put this house back in the right direction.

and the known facts are that

- sales are inn decline
and blablabla

so i think we should do and overall evaluaion, like we did on the tabbles and not to start from the Know facts they give, as i see them as a starting point for us.

What do you think?

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-We specialise in contemporary photographer monographs
-We publish 15 books a year
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-Small editorial team


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It doesn't sound like the website costs are going to be too high, but we need to decide if we are going to pay someone to design/maintain the site and whether we want to pay a specialist in search engine optimization so we come up when people search for photo publishers/gallery events.

This website gives the main costs:
http://www.infoclear.ca/articles/websitecosts.html

The one below gives the top ten web hosts in the UK:
http://uk-hosting-review.com/?gclid=CLaSlOyFkJcCFUob3godll-dIw

This is the one that came top. It has a stupid name but you get unlimited space and can include forums, blogs, visitor counters etc. and it supports InDesign and Dreamweaver technology.
http://hostpapa.co.uk/index.shtml

I'll work out some various costs depending on what we want to pay for anyway.

Monica - website looks good!

xXx

www.

Hi guys, this is a draft of the website, i need you to give me your opinion so i can know if can continue or not.

I planned to do the company and book site.

Let me know whatever you think, i can change it. so dont worry. :)



http://www.newlineinformation.com/


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http://www.wildandwoolley.com.au/self_publish/getting_started this website shows the different book sizes. I know we aren't using these, but at least we know what the traditional ones look like.

http://www.writersservices.com/wps/s1_book_sizes.htm This website is very good as it explains the whole process of book production from pre production, printing, design, marketing etc. Click the options on the side.

http://www.viovio.com/wiki/index.php?structure_id=473 This website shows different types of square books so we can base our book size on one of these perhaps. It also has different binding options too

Commissioning Photographers 2

http://www.londonfreelance.org/feesguide/phboorat.html

Hi Guys, the website above gives rates on commissioning photographers for books. So if I don't hear from the photographer we have this as backup!

sharlaine

Commissioning Photographers and Copyright

Hi Guys- this website explains commissioning photographers and the process etc.
http://www.copyright4clients.com/faqs

It also contains the website where many photographers have their portfolios.
www.image-folio.com
I contacted Peter Dawson from the lifestle section for quotes on 120 photos, so hopefully he will reply.
Just to recap we decided to do a book of 100 pages, 20 pages per section- (N, E, S, W London) and 20 pages for the copyright, contents, index etc

sharlaine

Company Name

Okay,

Our company name is 'fulmen'.

This comes from the latin 'fulmen-inis n. [a stroke of lightning , a thunderbolt]. Transf., [a crushing calamity; mighty or irresistible power].'

PRINTERS

PRINTERS
See also: www.theprintdirectory.co.uk

Aldgate Press, Gunthorpe Workshop, Gunthorpe Street, London E1 7RQ
020 7247 3015
BAS Printers, 1 Premier Way, Abbey Park, Romsey, Hampshire SO51 9DQ
01794 834 605
Kube Digital Print, 44 Paul Street, London EC2A 4LB
020 7739 9744
Lecturis, F36 Argos House Office Centre, Kilburn Park Road, London NW6 5LF
020 7644 0498
Lithosphere, 82-90 Queensland Road, London N7 7AS
020 7686 6111
TRL Digital Print, 25 Holywell Row, London EC2A 4XE
020 7739 3152
White Offset, 159-179 Empress Road, Southampton SO14 0JW
02380 632 111

See also: www.theprintdirectory.co.uk

Book/Paper sizes

http://www.trussel.com/books/booksize.htm

Hi guys i found this website on book/paper sizes. Not sure if this helps but it may do.

Morning all

Yep Ed i think that sounds like a good plan!
Also has anyone had any good name suggestions? I was wondering if it would be cheeky to call it Fotovision/Photovision seeing as it's an obvious steal of Rotovision?! Plus there are companies called both already but they're not publishers...

Monica - i was thinking i'd write the 'about us', 'quotes' etc. for the website so we can just add it quickly when we come to put it together. Let me know if that's not ok! I won't put anything proper about the Sensory London series until we've fully decided a name and everything.

Have good weekends (and don't forget to send the tables!)

xXx

blog

The new blog look looks great!

Maybe we should start pulling things together into a presentation slideshow next week?

It would give us an idea of the structure of everything we're going to be talking about, and would highlight the main areas we need to work on, research etc...

Biddles estimation site

www.biddles.co.uk/cu_estimate.htm

This is the website to create an estimation for our book

Meeting 12th November, 2008

- We joined our opinions about what our issues are and proposed solutiones.
- We stablished what we want to do for our second assigment.
- We sepated into groups to define website and print specifications.


TASKS FOR NEXT MEETING.

- Email isy our tables.
- Isy will compile everyone's table in one.
- Isy will send everyone THE table.
- Think about web and print :
* specifications
* structure
* design
- Think about how our presentation should be.
- Anything else?

http://www.mccaughanpaper.com/gpage2.html

this is the website for paper grades

These are the Nielsen Bookscan reports Isy and I got (sorry for the hugely long addresses)

All books published in 2008 that deal with photography: here


2008 books from Taschen, Phaidon and Thames & Hudson: here


3 books with sales breakdown through 2008 - (Photograph as Contemporary Art,The:World of Art, Photography of the 20th Century:Icons Series, Photographs,The:National Geographic): here

Financial Info about Phaidon

1990 - employed about 40 people, had a turnover of £2.5m and was operating at a loss.

2005 - operating profit of £700,000 on turnover of £18.8m

2006 - operating profit of just over £2million on turnover of £24.5m

2007 - operating profit of £1.1m on turnover of £22.1m (drop from previous year, however this was due to a spectacular previous year)
- now employs 140 people, offices in London, New York, Paris, Berlin and Tokyo.

Isy email

Isy, i'm going to post an email you send. :) I hope you dont mind.

Hello

This is the link to the website for the photograhic arts company i thought we could base our publishing house on. Obviously if anyone finds anything better or hates this one then we don't have to use it at all!

http://www.trolleybooks.com/index.php


The site below is a guy's account of getting a photography book published. A lot of it is irrelevant but it's quick to read.

http://bayimages.net/tech/publishing-a-photographic-book/

Isy
xXx

ARTICLE. The New Age of the Book

The New Age of the Book

Volume 46, Number 5 · March 18, 1999
The New Age of the Book
By Robert Darnton


Consider the book. It has extraordinary staying power. Ever since the invention of the codex in the third or fourth century AD, it has proven to be a marvelous machine—great for packaging information, convenient to thumb through, comfortable to curl up with, superb for storage, and remarkably resistant to damage. It does not need to be upgraded or downloaded, accessed or booted, plugged into circuits or extracted from webs. Its design makes it a delight to the eye. Its shape makes it a pleasure to hold in the hand. And its handiness has made it the basic tool of learning for thousands of years, even before the library of Alexandria was founded early in the fourth century BC.

Why then do we continue to hear prophecies about the death of the book?


http://www.nybooks.com/articles/546

UK Art Book Publishers

UK Art Book Publishers

Booth-clibborn
Independent publishing company on fine, media and decorative arts. Founded on 1974.

http://www.booth-clibborn.com


Violette Editions
http://www.violetteeditions.com/

An article

An article:

Instead of disappearing, books have morphed into exciting new forms of publishing. Topping the pile are the coveted super-size titles, which are flying off the shelves at thousands of dollars each.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24612404-5017468,00.html

Britsh Journal of Photography

Hi Guys- this link tells you a bit about BJP magazine
http://www.incisivemedia.com/corporate/products/britishjournalofphotography

And this is the link to their website
http://www.bjp-online.com/

I rang them and to advertise with them the prices are as follows:
1/4 page - £380
1/2 page - £700
Full page advert- £1,300. this is per insertion, so for 1 week issue. If we were looking to book for 3 or 4 months they can reduce the price. Their audience are photographers and related industry people, services and courses on photography for e.g so a book on photography will be ideal here she says. I don't know how other prices will compare in terms of advertising but I can find out.

This is the book i was talking about.

Latin American Graphic Design: the best Latin American designers from yesterday and today






http://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/design/all/03397/facts.latin_american_graphic_design.htm

http://www.taschen.com/lookinside/03397/index.htm

My dear group,

remember to use the blog, yoou can put everything you send by email in here :)

xx

For next meetings.

Hi guys!
Hi shazz! our next meeting is going to be on Tuesday 11th Nov, 2008 - 5:00 pm, library? i forgot. :P

We are going to:


- Book scan in library
- Join everyone's opinion.
- Establish which are our problems
- Propose solutions


Classroom on Wednesday

- Finish what we were doing on Tuesday.
- Start thinking about our presentation
- How and what are we going to include?


what do you think guys?

Meeting 7th November, 2008

In this meeting we decide to:

HOMEWORKS :P

1. Evaluate our art book publishing house through the different matters that a publishing house has (Content, Marketing, design, production), to determine what we might think would be the most influential and damaging issues for:

- Making sales decline
- Have bad reviews
- authors leaving pour company
- staff leaving us too

For this, will be using a table where we can find ( you can include more) a list of aspects, that will help us as a guide so we are not wondering around without an aim.

We are also going to compare it with stablish companies in this area, to see which advantage or disadvantages we have with them. Check catalogues.

2. Monica will send the table to everyone.

3. Try to define posible solutions.

4. Think about what our book for the 2nd assigment will be. (remembering it has to be part of a serie of books)

5. Think about what we'll put in our website.



Sorry guys for my bad english. I'm trying my best. You can always correct me. Thanks!
and remember that you always can add anything you think i had missed.

Magma books

This is a very nice specialized bookshop near leicester square, with very nice art and design books.




http://www.magmabooks.com/

Some links of art book publishers.
This are the ones from whom i would like to buy every single book they have.

www.phaidon.com
www.taschen.com
www.chroniclebooks.com
www.thamesandhudson.com
www.hatjecantz.de/en_index.php
www.laurenceking.co.uk
http://www.die-gestalten.de/
www.rotovision.com/
http://www.tate.org.uk/publishing/

and I found this art book publisher list:

http://www.lights.ca/publisher/db/topics/Art-Architecture.html

Hi guys!

Hi guys!

This blog will help us communicate, to keep a log of our meetings, and will help us as a way to keep notes or just a way to share things that might be related with our assigment.

I hope you like it!